LASS 2.0 Lite. My son wants to record an album with mainly piano and violins. Now I own Albion but Albion offers too much, if you know what I mean. Too many prefabricated combinations and things like that and it's more for heavy film music imho. I also own Kirk Hunter Concert Strings II but they sound a bit er. Not open and clear enough somehow. So once more I am looking at LASS.
I noticed version 2 is out by now and there also is a Lite version. I've been looking for demo's but there aren't any. It's all the full LASS version and you have to guess what's not in LASS 2.0 Lite. Anyone knows where I can listen to some LASS 2.0 Lite ONLY demo's.?
And is there anyone here who would like to share his or hers view on this plugin? Is it indeed 'the best' or not? EDIT Shoot, is this forum STILL not compatible with Firefox.?!?!? LASS sounds gorgeous, and it covers a LOT of articulations, and the company is at the very top of the great customer support list. Cinematic Strings sounds gorgeous, and it covers almost as many articulations, and it is probably a little easier to use, and they are right up there with Audiobro when it comes to taking care of customers. Adagio Strings from 8Dio represents yet another approach, and it sounds gorgeous, and it covers a LOT of articulations, and after a brief stumble they are as good as anyone at taking care of customers. Kirk Hunter Concert Strings is another cool library, not as well thought of in some circles as the others, but I like it.
It covers all the basic articulations, and some others, and it offers a very flexible way to manage all of that. I will agree that it probably doesn't sound quite as nice 'out of the box' - it takes some work to get everything to fall into the mix. I can live with that. And you can usually get an answer from Kirk very quickly.
Dec 28, 2011 - 9 min - Uploaded by AudiobroTVThis tutorial goes over the basics of key switching of instrument banks with LASS 2.0 and ARC. Aug 17, 2013. LA Scoring Strings 2.5 has been released! Check out what's new! [Video] [Site].
Stresov Cornicopia is the new kid on the block. It covers a lot of articulations, but it does so in a slightly different way, which may or may not limit you.
Support seems to be quite good. All of these are Kontakt libraries.
Hollywood Strings (any version) sounds gorgeous, has even more articulations than LASS, and comes with it's own player. Some people report great difficulty getting Play to work well. Others don't.
Customer service at EW is going through a rough patch. But dang, the library sounds great! If I were in the market for a big-guns string library I'd narrow the field to LASS and Cinematic Strings. That's purely a personal taste thing, and I already own Concert Strings 2. I'm not interested in wrestling with yet another sample playback tool. This doesn't mean I won't eventually add Play and the Hollywood libraries to my toolkit, but for now I need to focus most of my time on writing and arranging and mixing! Thanks for that detailed reply, Bill!!!
There are a few names I never heard of before so I will check them out. I did in the meantime already read about Cinematic Strings and while at first I was enthusiastic (because of the quality and the price) I was turned off by the lack of a few basic options, specially things like portamento, which I am SURE I will miss at a certain point. It's one of those little things that may turn a computerized performance into a humanlike one. Pity, because as I said I liked the prize of it.! I will check out Adagio Strings (although that name makes me think it's a lmited library.) and Stresov Cornicopia. LASS sounds awesome to my ears but it's a pity it isn't as easy to use as for instance Kirk Huner Concert Strings II. I wonder why LASS doesn't offer you a similar way out of the box, specially since you can create keyswitches in version 2 with ATC (as far as I understand).
It's also something that made me stop using Albion (apart from the limited scope). In the end GPO is still the easiest to use LOL specially when you have to cut and copy midi clips (that's a problem with Kirk and Albion).
I even considered getting something like Sibelius 7 to overcome that problem, but well, that would be another few hundreds of dollars and it's all a hobby, so. I do think that LASS may be easier to edit because you don't need overlapping notes to play legate as you do with for instance Kirk, which makes it hard to cut and copy clips.
Anyway, I'll check out the others now! EDIT Sorry about the lack of formatting of this post.
Firefox doesn't like this forum software. EDIT 2 Downloaded Chrome specially for this forum. EDIT 3 Adagio is out: only violins. Strezov is out too because you don't seem to have seperate patches for violins, viola's, cello's and basses, which makes it all a bit uncontrolable (like some of the Albion patches). Pity because the price is great. I am back to LASS lite. Pity there don't seem to be any demo's anywhere!
Not sure exactly what you mean by demos. If you are looking for recordings made with LASS Lite there are several on the Audiobro web site. If you mean a demo patch or something like that, well, I'm with you all the way. It is very difficult to make the investments in some of these higher end libraries because you can't try them first. Trysound is OK, but it still isn't the same as actually using the product for a bit. Used to be that local music stores provided that service, but they couldn't compete with the on-line stores, who saved at least a little money by not having to offer demos, and the little stores went away.
There's an irony there! The 8Dio Adagio Strings includes Violins, Violas, and Cellos, and the Basses are due to be released the end of this month. It's a really strong library, but it is expensive. Stresov did try to strike a balance between separate sections and ensemble patches, I'm not sure they hit the mark. Cinematic Strings does some really graceful glissandos - not sure how much more portamento would buy you. Give a listen to their demos to hear it.
GPO is probably the easiest to use in terms of sequencing, but getting it to sound as good as some of the others is a LOT of work, which is strange, since I still use the original Garritan Orchestral Strings, and they sound amazingly lush. Too bad they were developed for GigaStudio!! Anyway - as the libraries become more capable, and therefore require a lot more in terms of controller messages, cut and paste becomes quite a bit more challenging! I don't own any of the Albion or Symphobia libraries - that approach to sequencing did not appeal to me.
Recently I picked up Orchestral Essentials, and I have to say, adding that to a project provides some really musical glue - makes it sound a lot more like I imagine it should. As far as the KH interface - I'm surprised more developers haven't taken that same basic approach. It makes life so much easier when dealing with complex instruments. Please keep us posted as you continue your journey. I meant audio demo's, yes, since demo's patches etc.
Aren't available. But the Audiobro site has no Lite demo's at all. I even emailed them and they gave me one link of a short tutorial that was done with the first Lite version: all other demo's are done with the full version and hence don't give me an accurate impression of what the Lite version is capable off. Audiobro ensured me there are a lot of Lite users out there. But apparently no one makes music with it that they actually publish online. BTW Audiobro reacted VERY fast to my enquiry, which I really like, so I am one stop closer to getting LASS. Hellogoodbuy - sounds like you're leaning toward LASS.
I wanted to mention that I originally had GPO and converted to EWSO Gold. After a bunch of research it ended up to be the best decision for me. For only a couple hundred bucks (taking advantage of one of their sales) I have a Pro Orchestral package (not just strings) and was able to convert all my projects from GPO to EWSO. What drew me to EW was that they have a huge selection of products (I also bought Solo Strings which sounds great). Piano's, Guitars, etc.
And the fact that I could try them out inexpensively with EWSO, with a complete upgrade path to other more advanced packages. Some day I'll will be upgrading to the Hollywood series. It's not just Hollywood Strings, but Brass, Woodwinds, etc. Play got a bad rap early on. I bought EWSO in December and haven't experienced a single bug.
It is easy to use. They are only on version 3 so I expect the software to get better and better. They had specific reasons to go away from Kontact, where Kontact was holding them back on certain things. The other thing EW has gotten a bad rap about was Customer Service.
This must also be something they have improved on. They have been excellent to me and VERY quick to respond to any questions. They have a very sophisticated support ticketing program.
You can view all history of any ticket at any time. The company - AT THIS TIME - has their act together. Also, their Forum is very active and is very useful for support questions. Hollywood Strings is a great library - the samples are huge. You almost need to go SSD to avoid those long load times.
But the cost of SSD's is coming down fast. SSD's will make that load time less of an issue. I'm going to briefly recount my recent experience with SoundsOnline - East West. I have owned East West Symphonic Orchestra Silver since it originally came out under Native Instruments.YES.NI.I still own the NI version. I recently decided to upgrade my NI Silver to the PLAY Silver.it was on sale for half off.$49.50 so I took the plunge and ordered. They charged my Credit Card the $49.50 and accepted the order.
I kept waiting for my product to ship/serial number. After 2 days I contacted East West Customer Service. They said there was a problem with my order, but that they said they had it corrected and I would get my product. Another 2 days goes by and I get an Email from East West accounting telling me that they could not charge my Credit Card for the $197.50 for Symphonic Orchestra Gold and that they could not process my order and that I would get a refund of the $49.50!!
So I contacted them and stated.WHAT? I didn't order Gold - I ordered the Silver and THAT is WHY you charged me $49.50 in the first place!!! I NEVER got a reply to that email. A week later I got a refund on my CC. NOT AN APOLOGY FOR SCREWING UP MY ORDER NOT sending out my ORIGINAL ORDER.NOTHING.not a word. ALL I got was a refund of the Original $49.50 They'll never get a penny from me again.
If they can't deal with a VERY SIMPLE order.and, at the very least APOLOGIZE for THEIR mistake, then I most certainly don't want to deal with them on something that may be complicated.especially with their ' Sorry.even though we screwed up, you're just SH*T out of luck' attitude. Never buy anything from them again.EVER! Cclarry - I have heard EW horror stories like that. Apologies and remorse don't seem to be a hallmark of EW customer service. I will say that my communication with them was very 'fact' based. I had issues too, like the liscense numbers that came with the original discs were invalid which delayed my installation.
There was no 'I'm sorry for your inconvenience' in any of the communication. However - That's were I got a taste of their ticketing system. Everything was online like a blog and updatable by me - and they didn't miss a single communication.
Every post had a status - so they couldn't avoid a communication. Very well organized. That part of the company that gave me confidence. Those issues with bad liscence numbers were very short lived. It's a thing of the past. The products work very well, and the forum is very good with people that are willing to help.
If I'm going to invest potentially thousands of dollars in a companies products I look at a number of things. The most important to me is 'staying power'.
EW breadth of product is very impressive. And they keep turning out more libraries.
Also - they made a huge investment in Play - which was very risky. Kontact works great and it is totally stable now (but not in the beginning). Play is relatively young.
But it is very stable for me. The company must be healthy enough financially to make that kind of investment. To me, the Hollywood series sounds fantastic. And you have the choice to add Woodwinds, Brass and more, and they all use the same type of controller commands and Keyswitching, making the learning curve easier once you learn one of them. Their libraries are huge - big files. And with Hard Drives, the long load times are annoying. However - 1 Terrabyte SSD drives with incredible transfer rates are now on the market.
SATA is developing new technology to keep up with these transfer rates. Current SSD drive controllers are now too slow, but that will change in a year. And RAM is cheap. So file size will not be an issue in the near future. I have LASS lite 2.0.
It's great for my needs since my level of string arrangements rarely if ever require me to take advantage of the divisi aspect of the full version. It's a little harsh sounding, but can be tamed with a little care at the mixing stage.
I either have, or have tried, the majority of the other options (EWQLSO, GPO, Cinematic strings, Symphobia,etc) and they have their strengths and weaknesses, as does LASS. But none of those other options are better than LASS, just different. Basically you won't go wrong with LASS lite.
In terms of sheer data size, the only library to out‑gun Berlin Strings is East West's 312GB Hollywood Strings, featuring a grand total of 57 players. Like BST, it lacks solo instruments, but benefits from a comprehensive articulation menu. Other large, contemporary string libraries in a similar vein include Cinesamples Cinestrings Core (50GB) and Cinematic Strings 2 (38GB): the former covers a little more musical ground than the latter, with a correspondingly higher price tag. Taking a slightly different tack, 8Dio's legato‑enriched Adagio series (available as separate violins, violas, cellos and basses volumes) total approximately 160GB and Audiobro's feature‑heavy LA Scoring Strings (24GB) offers flexible section sizes and solo instruments, but has no full second violins section. Also worthy of consideration are the Vienna Symphonic Library collections Appassionata Strings I (11.9GB) and Orchestral Strings I and II (42.4GB), the former boasting lush symphonic‑sized ensembles and the latter packing more detailed articulations than you can shake a stick. However, none of the VSL titles includes separate second violins or multiple mic positions. All of the libraries mentioned above feature true legato intervals.
On first playing BST's 'Playable glissandi' patch (available for first violins only), my initial impression was that a swarm of angry wasps had invaded my music room, but after watching Orchestral Tools' video demo I got the idea. In order to create real‑time glissandi, you play an ascending or descending white‑note scale: this creates a smeared glissando effect which follows the direction of your scale.
Play an octave scale, and you'll hear a long, wide‑ranging gliss; play two adjacent white notes, and you get a short glissando. Glissandi can thus be timed exactly to follow your music. Though it roughly tracks keyboard register, the glissando's pitch doesn't correspond precisely to played notes, which means the technique works best as an iconoclastic, wild effect rather than a controlled pitch slide. Hats off to programmer Stan Berzon for devising the script which powers this mad, thoroughly enjoyable musical racket. Glancing through BST's patch list, it appears that some entries are extremely large; for example, the first violins legato patch lists a total sample size of 13.3GB. However, in practice this shouldn't be problem: if you limit yourself to the default Tree mic position, the legato patch uses 0.78GB of RAM when loaded, and because BST uses disk‑streaming throughout, only played samples are loaded temporarily into RAM. That said, some violins' legato patches contain nearly 30,000 samples and take over two minutes to load even on a fast computer, so if you want to go bonkers with elaborate multi‑patch templates, simultaneous multiple mic positions or 7.1 surround mixes of the full string orchestra, the old orchestral sampling adage applies: you'll need a fast machine with plenty of RAM.
Orchestral Tools Berlin Strings €999 €840 pros • First‑class orchestral players recorded in a great‑sounding scoring stage from four mic positions. • A large and thorough articulation menu includes true legato intervals, expressive sustains, octave runs and a knockout spiccato delivery. • Compatible with Berlin Woodwinds. Cons • Expensive. • No solo instruments. Summary Recorded from four mic positions in a famous scoring stage, Berlin Strings sounds great and works a treat for both action scores and romantic orchestral arrangements. The price tag may deter the uncommitted and some may bemoan the lack of solo instruments, but pro users will recognise the many advantages of this fine, playable, powerful and musically deep library.
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